Al here, I've owned a SB16, SB32, SBAwe, SBLive, and SBX-fi - so a long time customer, but not anymore. After months of no support for the live on vista, I ended up with the x-fi, but to know it was all a scam, that purpously hindered drivers are deployed to reduce functionality is sickening. You opened the box, I hope you all melt like the Nazi's you are. Keep sinking your ship, and enjoy fury of internets.

You can't pay for this kind of publicity, too bad it's not positive, lolz. I won't be buying any more of your products and I bet you most of the housands of other people reading about this won't either - go die in a fire you douche-bag motherfvckers.

http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/03/29/046201.shtml

http://reddit.com/info/6dugn/comments/

http://digg.com/hardware/Creative_threatens_community_modder

Your Forum registration also sucks ballz, thanks http://www.bugmenot.com

Just registered to post.

Funny, as a very long time user of Creative products (from the old ISA days) I was just bitching ( two days ago) about background processes being taken up by Creative drivers and how I should start looking for another (better) sound card.

After reading this on Digg, all I have to say is bye bye Creative you just lost another customer. I will be replacing my current Xfi card this week, with one from your competitors. I will also be recommending the same action to my 12,000+ members.

Way to go, but to be honest it's about time you started losing market share based on your past support.

whats the matter with you creative ?

someone has taken there time and made drivers for us to use your product !

your the company with the money and people who sit around on there ass and do nothing all day !

how about looking after your customers who like me have been using your product's for many many year's.

i have 2 of your sound card's....quote-i have none now as ive taken them out of my pc's and will be using this from now on...

your the one's with the problem creative and i praise daniel for his hard work and time to look after the people of the creative community.

i wished i lived a bit closer to you becasue you would have got a visit from me to air my view's to one of your so called managers.

what a shame creative....your going to lose out of this.

o...and by the way....i did have a creative zen touch 20gb mp3 player but ive sold it and brought a sony and it out classes your mp3 in everyway......and it was cheaper !

Hi zeltacom:

If you read this you might get the impression that you get all functionality when you run the product on the Vista OS (is this really true?!?):

http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=205&product=10769

Immersive Movie Sound

Enjoy precise positional audio with THX® setup software that lets you adjust speaker positioning without moving your speakers

Minimum System Requirements

Microsoft® Windows® Vista™ (Beta drivers available from us.creative.com)
Windows XP (SP2), or Window 2000 (SP4)

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zeltacom wrote:

Are you people stupid or insane? Just asking the question. If creative products don't work on vista... stop buying them. End of story. For those that are too late in getting a refund, drop it already. It's a loss! Write it off and move on. Eventually, you'll have to upgrade yor PC, so consider it an upgrade.

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They need to give Daniel a specific license so that he can modify these drivers. If he can't enable Dolby on certain models, they should make this clear to him.

They should have immediately called him on the phone and even invited him to come into the fold.

They should call him and make a donation, Daniel is what you call a super promoter.

Super promoters are what makes a business grow, they have turned a positive into a negative, about the dumbest marketing decision I have ever seen.

Someone at Creative needs to go back to school, marketing 101.

I can't believe you want to admonish someone for increasing the success of your products and the satisfaction of your customers. If there is a demand for unofficial driver packages in the first place, you aren't doing your jobs! And you want to scold the person doing the job for you? I'll never buy a Creative product again.

Daniel, I wish you well. Leave Creative to rot.

while I respect the property rights side of this matter I find the stance creative is taking to be rediculous. Lets face it. He is providing software for a market that you do not serve nor do you have any expressed intention of serving. Its not like its taking money from your pockets.

I was tired of the mediocre sound quality from my motherboard onboard audio, so I bought an x-fi fatality at its wallet flattening price. I was happy with it at first. Then it started having issues, breaking down(out of warranty of course), the bloated excuse for drivers, and the lack of support got to me. When it finially craps itself, i'll not be buying any more creative products.

Face it, you have poor driver support and he's filling that gap. go suck on a pineapple.

Came to reg and post. This has been Dugg, the cat's out the bag and all the world knows.

For anyone hoping to reason with the likes of Phil: Forget it. He's likely a middle-aged marketing veep with gold cuff links and power tie. He doesn't give a sh*t about any of your problems, he only cares about what the upper execs think of him and how much longer he'll be able to cling to his gravy position. Hence all the talk of IP and compensation. The execs love that sh*t, they couldn't care less about the damage this story is inflicting on Creative's reputation (unless it starts to hurt revenue, but that'll take a while). The fact he straight-armed Daniel_K in public, on a forum, for all to see, points to his inexperience in online marketing in the 21st century. I deal with these losers on a daily basis with my business.

Phil's big worry right now is that tech customers, fed up with bullsh*t from big tech companies who fail deliver, *salivate* at opportunities like this to exact revenge for getting played into buying a sh*t product that, despite all the promises in the world, still don't work. What makes this one unique is that a 3rd party succeeded in delivering the goods that CL couldn't. This represents a priceless opportunity for the masses to light up the torches and head en mass to the door steps of Creative.

For your part Phil, your haste to impress the big guys will likely result in the realization of your worst fear, that being a polite talking-to before being walked to the door for the abysmal handling of the whole sordid affair.

The X-Fi I bought over a year ago has never worked. And despite your promises, it still doesn't work. Unfortnately for Creative, the diminished functionality of my X-Fi has diminished it's need. I pulled the crap X-Fi months ago and settled for the integrated sound chip that came with my board. Worse still, I'll be sure to pass up any other Creative products, even those that have worked wonderfully, due to your propensity to piss all over your customers by flipping the bird to someone the community hold's in high regard.

Way to go, Phil. Your lack of foresight is epic in it's scope and reach...